Martin: "Where are you from?"
Charles: "Detroit. I was affiliated with YBI, Young Boys Incorporated. Older guys used to give the younger guys heroin to sell for 'em because juveniles got bail so they can bail us right out, put us right back on the blocks. I'm talkin' 'bout from nine-years-old to thirteen and fourteen." M: "Any parents around, foster care or..?"
C: "Well my mom and daddy left me at the grandmama's house. My grandmama, all she tried to do is instill church in me. God. Ya know? My Mom was a dope fiend. So I used to go over her house. Her house was a shootin' gallery. She used to go in their pockets, give me half of the money and tell me go and hide, you the fall guy. You know? That's what my mama used to do." M: "Did anybody ever get really mad?"
C: "Yeah yeah! People got mad, yeah a lot of them people got mad, man. And one time I didn't hide. One time didn't hide, I said fuck that mother. I ain't hidin' man. I ain't hidin'. My mom pulled up on me with the guy. Beat my ass right then and there, ran my pockets and gave it right to the guy. Took some of my money and his. I mean that's the type of lifestyle. But then my grandmama's house it was like you gotta go to church. So either I wanna go to church or I wanna run back to my mama's house where my other brothers and sisters are at, where I can do what I want."
M: "How old were you when you started living on the street?"
C: "I was fifteen. I ran away, ended up in Tampa Bay, Florida with call girl, Sandy Hawk, and she.. We was on the Bus together, I got off with her, and she helped me pay for my ticket 'cause I only had a ticket to Toledo, Ohio. When we got to Tampa Bay I stayed with her a couple days. A guy was puttin' her on the stroll, and she like, no, she didn't feel comfortable jumpin' in an outa cars 'cause she was a call girl. She looked just like Olivia Newton John at the time. She was an international call girl. She showed me her portfolio her photographs, taken all in front of monuments all around the world. She left me. I came to California from there. That was Super Bowl Sunday, '85.